Ok, here is (almost) entire dictaion of my meeting with Dr. Wiggsy Sivertsen on September 27th 2006. We did not have a session for counseling at all. What we talked was all about where I could bring the case or who I could get help for students' discrimination. On October 16th 2006, Dr. Siverstsen wrote a fake diagnosis by not seeing me. The students said that because I got a mental health record, I cannot sue them including someone who started the harassment and the coordinator of Project SHINE.
Here is the link to the real file.
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Eyesuprrise: An assistant professor's mourning voice recording. Now we know who needed to see a psychiatrist because she cried out loud in her office on campus.http://rapidshare.com/files/47972230/IDontKnow_CalmDownCalmDownElizabeth.WAV.html
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The below is the dictation. I am posting this as a good example of "gaslighting" done by students and SJSU faculties.
According to Theo. L. Dorpat, he writes that failure case report has much to learn as well as successful ones for psychiatry. He writes it on p.xii of his book, Gaslighting, The Double Whammy, Interrogation, and Other Methods of Covert Control in Psychotherapy & Analysis.
I hope some psychiatrist can learn from my dictation and stop harassing real student activists. Totalitarianism is the explanation of management and power-focused people. People spending time for their profit have no chance to see who are really in need for help and support. I am proudly agaist the neo-Nazi like movent going on in the world by organized stalkers and fake student activists!
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09/27/2006 Meeting with Dr. Wiggsy Siverstsen (school psychiatrist, and the director of the counseling service)
0:00 (getting in to the counseling office)
1:12 (another student talking about her appointment)
10:34 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Miyoko, come in.”
Me: “Yeah.”
10:43 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “How are you?”
Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Tired.?”
Me: “I have a midterm.”
Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Ah... “
Me: “I have a midterm in 6 o'clock.” (about Dr. Mxxxxxxti's class)
Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Oh..”
(we walked into her office)
11:10 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “So what can I do you for..?”
Me: “I'm wondering if anything going on like students evaluation or student evaluating like...something like that..”
Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “”. (could not hear clearly.)
11:23 Me: “I think some students evaluating me especially in Anth 143 class. (refering Dr. Mxxxxxxti's class).
11:28 Me: “And I would like to know what is going on. You don't know?”
11:33 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “no..no”
11:35 Me: “Some students, actually I send it to email and you and..the.. ”
11:38 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I think.. yeah.. yeah..”
Me: “And I'm just wondering if it is credidential or not..just wondering..”
11:43 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Is.. is what?”
11:45 Me: “Is it like secured.. is the information secured or not.”
11:47 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Is the information you send me?”
Me: “Yes.”
11:50 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Everything here is confidential”
11:55 Me: “The cover? Is like.. the first day.. or the first meeting day of the Anthro 143, someone... actually we have.. like.. we had a group work and some one actually checked my like my German ability or something because ..”
12:12 Me: “Actually because .. ah.. I had.. ah.. “
12:17 Me: “in group, I had two students like.. one is a Mexican-German woman and the other student is... ah.. he said he.. he understands German.”
12:37 Me: “The problem is.. during we had conversation, they asked me like.. like.. he asked other students like.. they have like.. they have a German dictionary? or something like that. And I'm just wondering.”
12:49 Me: “Because actually I had writing like.. German writing..and it's kind of something like. spiritual one.”
12:59 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Kind of what?”
13:00 Me: “It is a kind of spiritual one. Actually (cannot hear this part clearly) Because so many things happened.” (loudly)
13:07 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Uh-huh.”
Me: “I'm just wondering.:”
13:08 Me: “The problem is that I .. it was on Monday class.. like Monday night's class. But Tuesday morning, it's an actually an anthropology class.”
13:27 Me: “And someone said like I had the conversation like.. and they saw me like how I show other students about my German writing or something like that. “
13:38: Me: “So.. I'm wondering.. Because in their conversation, I had like a ... actually some students are trying to see or figure out if I am really..like..”
13:54 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Miyoko, let me, let me explain something to you.”
13:56 Me: “Yeah.”
13:58 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Everything that goes on in this office..”
Me: “Uh-huh.”
Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “ is TOTALLY CONFIDENTIAL.”
14:04 Me: “The problem is that...”
14:06 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Hang on.”
Me: “OK.”
14:09 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Only time and ever, talk about clients outside of the office”
Me: “Uh-huh.”
Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “is when the clients give the permissions.”
14:22 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “in the writings..”.
Me: “Uh-huh.”
Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Or if the clients making threats expressing somebody's life..”
14:27 Me: “Oh no.”
Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Or there is a client.. ah.. has.. abused.. sexually abused in their home and their younger children in their house.”
Me: “Uh-huh.”
14:38 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Other than then, we cannot talk to anybody. I cannot talk to anybody comes in here. I can't give the names of the clients (she gives an example, John Smith, very quickly and states that she cannot give the client's name to the president of the college.)”
Me: “OK.”
14:57 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “So everything goes in here, even the emails that you've sent to me is totally in he confidential as it stays in the office.”
15:06 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “So nothing will bothers you.”
15:09 Me: “And, then, why.. ah.. I'm just wondering why.. like.. what was that..”
15:17 Me: “... I cannot remember... It was last week I guess. When I came into the counselling office..”
15:24 Me: “Actually at the counter.”
15:26 Me: “I actually asked her to make an appointment with you and.. I don't know why but she knows..ah..she asked me if I'm the one who send the email to .. like the email in morning.”
15:41 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Does she..does she..”
15:43 Me: “No. she did.”
15:47 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Who was it?”
15:52 Me: “I can't remember. But if I can see her face, I probably remember.. Actually she said she is the one who ah.. “
16:05 Me: “when I came in first time to make an appointment, she was the one..”
16:08 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Well.. if that was my secretary..”
16:10 Me: “I'm not sure.”
16:13 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “If she may of asked you, she may connect the names so she could put the stuff and she could hold it for me, but it still does not go out of this office.”
16:23 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “A worker could ask and say you had an email so that she can try to make an appointment..”
16:28 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “.. I really don't see students.”
!6”30 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “So that she tries to connect who you work and is that your case then check the worker to see if that it was. She is the only one that I asked you that. But regardless...”
16:40 Me: “Uh-huh..”
Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “.. the secretary isn't promo in the office.”
Me: “Uh-huh.”
16:43 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “And the stuff back here and all the others in the office...”
Me: “Uh-huh.”
Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “..cannot come out outside of this inner-building.”
16:47 Me: “Umm.”
16:51 Me: “Then, how about the conversation like.. I.. I asked... like..”
16:59 Me: “On Tuesday... theTuesday, I actually heart that the students talking about something like.. ah..”
17:06 Me: “They really disvalueded.. ah.. like they disvalued her or something like that.”
17:10 Me: “And in their conversation, they knew that I'm the only one that got the certificate from the volunteer or something or what.”
17:18 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “You usually wanna what?”
17:21 Me: “Actually, in their conversation, they said, I'm the only one got certificate.”
17:24 Me: “I... I.. I didn't talk about that matter.”
17:29 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Yeah. I don't know the answer you questioned for you.”
17:30 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I.. I do not have the answer of the question for you. “
17:34 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I don't know why the students talk about or what students are doing even know who the students are.”
17:40 Me: “Ok.”
17:41 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “So, whatever they are talking about, I don't know why.”
17:46 Me: “Um.. Actually they said like.. they.. I think they knew what I wrote to the ombudsman, because they talked about the matter too, like...”
17:58 Me: “.. how they think.. how they express they think about Dr. Weiss..”
18:04 Me: “.. after they.. I reveiled the information I holded it.”
18:11 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Ombudsman is the same position as I am.”
Me: “So..”
18:14 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “He can't talk to anybody.”
18:16 Me: “Then, I have no idea why nobody really checked my evidences or like.. ah..”
18:22 Me: “... except trying to check my German knowledge or something like that.”
18:26 Me: “I have no idea.”
18:34 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: (cannot hear what she is saying because of the noise)
Me: “Uh-huh.”
18:36 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Think again about what you did in this summer. You have charges that you want to bring.”
18:39 Me: “Ok.”
18:40 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Against anybody, you must file them.”
18:47 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “You would not file them in this office, then you would not file them in anthro office, then you have to file them with the police.”
18:51 Me: “Ok.”
18:53 me: “Actually, the police said that it is a civil matter and I have to bring it to law.. a lawyer. That's what I heard from the police.”
19:01 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Well, if it's the civil matter, then the police will not gonna take it.”
Me: “Yes.”
19:05 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Then you have to hire a lawyer.”
19:07 Me: “Yes.”
19:07 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “The point is that the (cannot hear) is the onbuds person nor anybody in this office.”
19:14 Me: “Uh-huh.”
19:17 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “(cannot hear)...talk about you to anybody.”
19:18 Me: “Ok, then, some people know what happened to Dr. Weiss or Dr. Gonzalez, because I..”
19:24 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I don't know.”
19:27 Me: “Because I'm the only one (loudly), and actually until I sent to ombudsman, I didn't talk about it to other people in... at least in Bay Area.”
19:37 Me: “That's what I can say.”
19:38 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I cannot understand your question.”
19:40 Me: “Because I don't know why then..”
19:43 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I don't even know what happened to Dr. Weiss.” (loudly)
19:48 Me: “Yeah? I think she is really frustrated, I guess.”
19:49 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “what?”
19:52 Me: “I don't know why but it looks like they are really tired.”
19:56 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Does she retired?”
19:58 Me: “No, I think they are really tired some how.”
19:59 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: (cannot hear)
20:00 Me: “Yes.”
20:02 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Probably, hardwork teaching.”
20:04 Me: “Hum.”
20:07 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I guess the question is what would you like me to do for you.”
20:10 Me: “I want to know if my information like.. I send it to you is credential or not.”
20:19 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “It's confidential.” (small voice)
20:23 Me: “You sure?”
20:24 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Yeah, I am very sure.”
20:26 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I own this service.”
20:30 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I don't even let the immigration service to come here.”
20:31 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I own this service, I am very sure.”
20:38 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “We are governed by very, very, very strict (cannot hear)”
20:43 Me: “Ok.”
20:44 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “They go beyond the university.”
20:45 Me: “Uh-huh.”
20:46 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “We are governed by California licensing law..”
20:49 Me: “Ok.”
20:50 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “.. by American Psychological Association, National Association..”
20:55 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “we have a layer upon a layer, that govern our service.”
21:01 Me: “Uh-huh.”
21:02 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “In terms of how we maintain our service, our material, and our information.”
21:08 Me: “Uh-huh.”
21:09 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “And we have a file that your name on it.”
21:11 Me: “Um. So, are you sure that the ombudsman didn't know..”
21:17 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I didn't talk with ombudsman on campus right now, but..”
21:24 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I don't know the ombudsman knows unless..”
21:25 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “.. if he might.. if he was concerned, he might call me.”
21:29 Me “Uh-huh.”
31:30 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “And say, I have a student that I am really worried about, can you talk the students.”
21:35 Me “Uh-huh.”
21:36 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “And then he might talk to me about why he is worried about you. ”
21:41 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “If you were the student, or any students.”
21:42 Me “Uh-huh.”
21:44 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Then I would ask the student to come by and talk, but again, he is governed by very strict laws of confidentiality.”
21:52 Me “Ok.”
21:54 Me “Can I ask one question about your.. I'm not sure.. I can't remember her name, ah..:
22:01 Me “I think she is Japanese American. I think you supervise her. Do you know the..”
22:06 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Winther?”
22:07 Me “Sorry?”
22:08 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Winthor R. Teller?”
22:09 Me “Yes. I just wondering.. um.. when.. last Friday, I met with her.”
22:15 Me “I'm just wondering when she asked if my parrot can speak Japanese.”
22:20 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Your what?”
22:22 Me “..if my parrot can speak Japanese because I have a parrot.”
22:24 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Wow!” (with surprise)
22:25 Me “Yeah, I'm just wondering..”
22:27 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “You have a parrot?”
22:28 Me “Yes.”
22:29 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Well!”
22:30 Me “And do you know.. I actually..”
22:31 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Can, can your parrot speak Japanese?”
22:35 Me “A sort of anything like German.. something, something like ah.. middle of nothing, you know.”
22:41 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Oh yeah, all right..”
22:42 Me “Something, something like.. alarms, too.”
22:50 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I would think so because the parrot will say what you say.”
22:53 Me “Yeah.”
22:54 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “If I might call parrots.”
22:58 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “The biter?”
22:59 Me (cannot hear)
23:02 Me (cannot hear) “... Irene Pepperburgs study about African Grey, do you know?”
23:06 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “What?”
23:07 Me “African Grey.”
23:08 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Oh, yeah! Pretty.”
23:11 Me “He speaks a lot because.. Irene Pepperburg studied.. you know..”
23:22 Me “I have a problem.”
23:24 Me “In my apartment, some students moved in. I think they are ones doing the harassment.”
23:32 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “If they are harassing you, then again, you can file charges, Miyoko.”
23:38 Me “Who should bring it to.. lawyer or anything like that?”
23:41 Me “I am just wondering because I talked with someone else about the issue.”
23:45 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Yeah, well again if it is a civil matter..”
23:48 Me “Uh-huh.”
23:49 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “then you have to go to a lawyer.”
23:50 Me “Ok.”
23:51 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “If it's a criminal matter..”
23:52 Me “Uh-huh.”
23:53 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “..then you go to the police.”
23:56 Me “How about stalking? Is it a criminal matter or..?”
23:58 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Stalking is a criminal matter.”
24:01 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “If you think somebody is stalking you..”
24:04 Me “Yes, and I recorded their conversation..”
24:05 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Then you have to go to the police and tell them..”
24:06 Me “Ok.”
24:11 Me “the problem is I don't know how many students involved.”
24:14 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “I'm sorry?”
24:15 Me “How many students are involved in this..”
24:16 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Well, I...”
24:16 Me “I'm sure Sarah Linn is involved in..” (loudly)
24:19 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen: “Why do they bothering you?”
24:21 Me “I have no idea. They don't like me.”
24:23 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Why not?”
24:25 Me “Probably I emailed... I.. I have no idea.”
24:31 Me “I don't know.. probably.. probably some of them start to hate me because I brought the Dr. Weiss's case to the ombudsman.”
24:41 Me “Probably they would..”
24:43 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “How do they know that?”
(small pause)
24:49 Me “I have no idea because what I wrote to.. um..”
24:53 Me “.. I only contacted with ombudsman and you..”
24:58 Me “.. and Dr. Weiss and she said ah.. she will going to.. ah.. send my mail forward to Dr. English-Lueck. That's what she wrote me about that, so...”
25:15 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “That's appropriate.”
25:15 Me “I think if..”
25:17 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Why will the students bothering you?”
25:18 Me “I have no idea.”
25:21 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Most of my experience with students, Miyoko, that you do not bother each other.”
25:25 Me “Yes, but the problem is.. last night, some students actually tried to follow me.”
25:30 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Tried to follow you?”
25:32 Me “Yes.”
25:32 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Why would they following you?”
25:33 Me “I don't know.”
25:36 Me “Probably they just want to harass me..”
25:38 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “But if you think you have been stalked or harassed, (cannot hear) to police report.”
25:40 Me “Ok.”
25:42 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “You know, that's what you that case.”
25:45 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “You should be very careful.”
25:45 Me “Why?”
25:48 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “That's what kind of accusations you make what people are doing.”
(a pause)
25:55 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “You know what I'm saying?”
25:58 Me “Yes. I think I have enough records for what was going on.”
26:00 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “I don't want you to get into trouble.”
26:01 Me “Why?”
26:03 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Well, you can't file very happy and very sure that what you are saying to the police this occurrence of the facts.”
26:06 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “(cannot hear) new window or new assumption.”
26:13 Me “No?”
26:16 Me “Actually, it was happ.. it happened on the hallway on my apartment.”
26:20 Me “Actually, someone saw me..”
26:21 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Uh-huh.”
26:21 Me “... and I.. I just.. I just stayed a little bit away (cannnot hear).. He acted quite weird.”
26:35 Me “... and...”
26:36 Me “.. actually I think they were wiretapping me.”
26:43 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Why they have that? I don't think so.”
26:46 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “I think that's your imagination.”
26:48 Me “But actually they said so.”
26:50 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “I don't think they are wise. Hard to wire them.”
26:55 Me “But I think that's how they did.”
(a pause)
27:04 Me “So, if you don't mind, if I bring it to anywhere.”
27:07 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “No.”
27:11 Me “... including US president.”
27:12 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “no.”
27:13 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “DO WHAT YOU WANT.”
27:14 Me “Ok.”
27:14 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Yeah, no. (cannot hear) you.”
27:20 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “But once again, no information goes out of this office.”
27:25 Me “From here?”
(pause)
27:31 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “And even if you file the report to the police and they came over and talk to me, I won't talk about it without your permission.”
27:38 Me “Ok.”
27:40 Me “How about the conversation?”
27:41 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Perdon me?”
27:43 Me “How about the conversation with students?”
27:46 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “No. I haven't talk about it to students at all.”
27:48 Me “How come they knows what was going on?”
27:54 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “I don't know. I have no idea.”
(pause)
28:04 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “I think it's possible students see you walked into the office...”
28:07 Me “Uh-huh.”
28:08 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “...and say 'Miyoko goes into the counseling service.'”
28:10 Me “Uh-huh.”
28:11 Me “How about the information I talked about to somewhere else?”
28:19 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen (cannot hear)
28:22 Me “Then, why someone said like...”
(pause)
28:31 Me “How about the advisor? 'she is crazy' to say it to coworker?”
28:38 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Say one more time?”
28:39 Me “How about the advisor.. the student advisor..”
28:42 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Uh-huh, student advisor? Said what?”
28:44 Me “'She is crazy'..”
28:47 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Is student advisor crazy?”
28:48 Me “No. Sh.. He said.. ah.. when he explained what's the matter like.. ah.. I think the coworker asked him, 'what was going on.'”
28:56 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Uh-huh.”
28:58 Me “He actually just said, 'she is crazy.'”
29:01 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “So, you are crazy?”
29:02 Me “Yes.”
29:05 Me “Is it Okay?”
29:05 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “But, I, I can't speak to them.”
29:06 Me “I'm wondering because it just happened in IPS office.”
29:10 Me “That's why I didn't go there for any further advising.”
29:14 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Right.”
29:18 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “I don't know about their control. All I have in control is about this office.”
29:27 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Ok?”
29:27 Me “How about any other.. like.. is there anyone I can talk with or someone out side of campus.. Do you know anyone?”
29:41 Me “In this campus, is anywhere..?”
29:43 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “What do you wanna talk about to whom?”
29:47 Me “Like someone.. like.. doing evaluation for something like that..”
29:53 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “There is no body doing evaluation about you.”
(pause)
30:02 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “You know, that could be on campus. The police could be call FEBA(?), which is the federal registration.”
30:10 Me “Uh-huh?”
30:11 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “That protects students rights and privacy.”
30:13 Me “Uh-huh.”
30:18 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “That could be talking about students' private things. I don't (cannot hear) So, there are lots of confidentialities in the university.
30:26 Me “Uh-huh.”
30:27 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “and a lot of privacy.. but nothing is.. (cannot hear) but still out there.”
30:32 Me “Um.”
30:33 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “So people don't break those rules.”
30:36 Me “Then what happened if those people work..”
30:37 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “So you have to prove it.”
30:43 Me (cannot hear)
30:44 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “If you can prove it, if you can backup, you can prove it.”
30:48 Me “So, where should I bring it like..”
30:49 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “What? Say it again?”
30:50 Me “Where should I bring..?”
30:51 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “If you have a proof,”
30:52 Me “Yes.”
30:53 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “th, then (cannot hear) file a civil suit..”
30:55 Me “Uh-huh. To who? Like? I have no idea because it sounds like no where... In my point of view, everything is connected but I have no idea where to bring, you know.”
31:05 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Well, you have to hire an attorney.”
31:08 Me “Ok.”
31:11 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “You have to hire (cannot hear) if you want to sue somebody.”
31:12 Me “Uh-huh.”
31:13 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Because you have a proof.”
31:14 Me “Uh-huh.”
31:15 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “But again, be careful. I warn you.”
31:18 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “You make foul charges that you cannot support.”
31:22 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “You don't wanna get into trouble.”
31:28 Me “Well, I THINK I HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE, INCLUDING DR. WEISS'S CASE.”
31:32 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “All right.”
31:33 Me “Because everyone is talking about. Almost all the students around me are talking about that matter.”
31:36 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Ok.”
31:38 Me “So, I think I have enough evidences.”
31:39 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Ok.”
31:42 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Did I answer all the questions for you?”
31:43 Me “Yes.”
(pause)
31:54 Me “So, I have to bring it to the court.”
31:55 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Say it again?”
31:57 Me “Do I really... do you think I really should bring it... there is no other way than I bring it to the court?”
32:07 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “To lawyer?”
32:07 Me “Yes.”
32:09 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “If you really wanna do that. I certainly advised you not to do that.”
32:10 Me “(cannot hear clearly) there is nowhere.. I don't know any opportunity to do anything else.”
32:16 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Well, if you say a faculty person violated you rights, then you have to go to the ombuds person.”
32:24 Me “Yes, I went there.”
32:25 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Then, what happened?”
32:25 Me “I holded it, so”
32:28 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “I'm sorry?”
32:32 Me “I holded it.. I'm just wondering.. ah..”
32:39 Me “Is there anyone supervising like.. the faculties.. like..?”
32:44 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “The chairs, yeah. A lot of them and the anthropology...”
32:49 Me “How about the entire school?”
32:55 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Charlene(?) Zehber(?)”
32:59 Me “Um.. is he have email?”
33:02 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Sure, sure.”
33:11 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “I'm sure she has an email.”
33:17 Me “Can I have her name?”
(Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen wrote down the name on a paper.)
33:32 Me “Do you think is it better to do with a protesting? Since I am a social science major, I know how to do the protesting.”
33:43 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Say one more?”
33:48 Me “Should I do the protesting?”
33:50 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “If you are protesting, what would you do?”
33:59 Me “... sharing information with others including...”
34:01 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “I think you need to be very careful, Miyoko.”
34:04 Me “Why?”
34:05 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “You don't want to make accusations on public unless you're very sure and know what happens.”
34:13 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Because you can be sued.”
34:15 Me “Ok.”
34:16 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Yeah. You don't wanna get into trouble. YOU ARE NONE OF THE AMERICAN CITIZEN.”
34:19 Me “I think I should bring it first, if some sue me..”
34:26 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “But if you..”
34:26 Me “All right, all right.” (loudly)
34:28 Me “I think I will do it. Ok.”
34:32 Me “Actually I talked with a lawyer so..”
34:33 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Ok.”
34:39 Me “Some students moved into my apartment is enough. And their talking conversation is enough for me.”
34:43 Me “Probably they can do any..”
34:44 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “The problem is they can do any conversation they want.”
34:48 Me “Yes, But the problem is that it sounds like they started from last Mar.. ah.. this March...”
34:55 Me “And sounds like.. it's more than abuse. If so many people like talking about that and.. I don't know..”
35:04 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “People gossip all the time.”
35:07 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “You can't stop people from gossiping.”
35:10 Me “Yes, but in this country, so many times it happened to African Americans. Like they were lynched. Like Japanese Americans.. it happened.”
35:21 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Well. What is it?”
35:22 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “You sure? What you are saying?”
35:25 Me “I just want to show what is really going on this campus.”
35:30 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “Ok.”
35:33 Me “You know, at least, at least I can prove there are some people really harassing a student especially in minority group like international students.
35:41 Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen “If you can prove that, then go ahead."
(I left Dr. Sxxxxxxxsen's office)
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